Saturday, November 14, 2009

Microsoft forcing PC makers to make Vista PC's non-XP compatible, how is that legal?

If you need to buy a new PC -- maybe your current one is old or you just need to upgrade -- the only way you can stick with Windows XP is to custom order it, because all the PC's in the stores (Best Buy, Office Depot, OfficeMax, Staples, etc.) come with Vista installed... AND they are INCOMPATIBLE with Windows XP, because you cannot find XP drivers for the new machines.





I looked into this some more and learned that Microsoft REQUIRED these manufacturers to NOT make XP drivers available in order to use the "Vista ready" logo on them. So this way, Microsoft could FORCE buyers to adapt Vista.





Meanwhile, rumors are that Vista is being rejected by the public so much that Microsoft is going to discontinue that failed product, and instead come out with Windows 9 (basically XP3).





How is this legal, that Microsoft can ONCE AGAIN pull this monopolistic control and take away consumer choice, even for their OWN products?





http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080227/ap_o...

Microsoft forcing PC makers to make Vista PC's non-XP compatible, how is that legal?
Original equipment manufacturers (OEMs) do not generally produce drivers. In the Windows world, drivers are produced by the companies that actually design and produce the hardware, like your graphics card(s) or network card(s). Let's say you have a desktop, and it has an nVidia video card. You want new drivers, you go to nvidia.com, not microsoft.com. You have an Intel network card, you go to intel.com.


Now, on the other hand, if you have a *laptop,* because laptops are not completely standardized systems, the OEM often supplies *modified* drivers for their laptop systems, and the hardware manufacturer often does not make their reference drivers directly available for laptops. However, this does not mean you can't use XP, if your laptop OEM is only shipping Vista drivers for your machine. You can often find third-party modified drivers, you can use a driver for another machine in the OEMs product line with the same component that runs XP, or you can even attempt to see if a driver for another laptop OEM will function on your machine. None of these are recommended options, but it's not impossible to get XP working on a machine that only comes with Vista. I have a friend that tossed Vista and got XP working on a Dell Inspiron that only comes with Vista.


You don't want to be buying machines at retail (unless you're an Apple fanatic), as they are generally disposable PCs with high mark-ups. If you buy direct from the OEM, you can often select XP instead of Vista. This is why my ThinkPad T61 (which you can't buy retail anyways, I think) runs XP Pro, not Vista. Not a gaming rig, but I prefer my laptops to be well-built, solid corporate machines, or at least as solid as I can find. Buying a new machine, avoid retail, insist XP. Or you can find Linux pre-installed, as Lenovo (ThinkPad) and Dell offer.


And that first or one of the first posts is correct, it's Windows 7. Vista is Windows NT 6, XP is Windows NT 5.1, Windows 2000 is Windows NT 5, Windows NT 4.0 is of course 4, then you have NT 3.1, 3.5 and 3.51. Started at 3.1 to associate it with Windows 3.1.
Reply:The original Macintosh was designed to be an appliance, just like your toaster or microwave, but the original Mac was also largely unusable for real work and play. Report It

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I suppose the thing is don't upgrade for 12 months. See what happens when the Hardware vendors start loosing custom because people are refusing to buy into the MS monopoly.





They do it becuase they can and put it bluntly they can afford to pay the legal fallout from it.





Don't buy from those manufactures to begin with I wouldn't!





You see the thing is they are so worried that the IT bubble is bursting and that joe/joeleens of this world are going to suddenly stop spending there running out of ideas!.
Reply:You can still find XP-compatible computers. The computer I'm on right now came with Vista, and I've run XP, Linux, and even Windows 2000 on it. Besides, Vista is no where near as bad as they say it is, I even like it better than XP.





Dell still sells computers with XP, but really in the long run it'd be better to just get something with Vista or even migrate to Linux
Reply:The same way they make new releases of "updates" that snarl your computer time, and dump masses in your registry to slow things down further.


New programs now take up so much room - it requires you to upgrade - and buy the next biggest! - Each edition with more graphics doing swooping moves - that is really not necessary for an OS to do.


Why does my AOL symbol have to wobble - taking up valuable processing power.





All part of a corporate plan to make you buy more stuff.
Reply:(windows 7) and cause they play by there own rules.
Reply:no computers at best buy and such COME w/ vista you pay them to put it on there if you just want to buy a computer w/ no OS you can its just most people wouldnt know how to install the OS and stuff so they offer to do it for you. Also there are plenty of copies of XP floating around out there in the world if your really worried that much and aside from not running all apps Vista isnt even that bad if your using Vista Premium or Business
Reply:Hi, actually I think that this varies in different places according to the laws of that country, if they r not being sued then its probably legal.





Just remember that Microsoft is a huge and very powerful company now and as u gain more power u fear for your own security and will do anything to not lose that power.





Microsoft is just doing everything they possibly can to stop people from using older Windows versions and other operating systems and thats something all companies. I don't use Windows, I use opensuse, but I never saw a problem with Windows Vista, by its design its a lot superior to Windows xp and some people r not smart enough to realize the technical superiority of the operating system over windows xp.





Trust me anyone with power exploits it, if u r the owner of your own company then u would most probably do the exact same thing to keep yourself powerful.





Look at Apple they lock u down even more than Microsoft, and they even continuously insult Microsoft's products. How lame do u call that? At least Microsoft isn't out there making advertisements on how bad Apple is and how they r better.


If u r running some legal movie or something u r not even allowed to take a screenshot of your desktop in OS X, now tell me does Apple have the right to stop u from taking a screenshot of your own desktop no matter what video is playing.





Take care!
Reply:I used to be a Microsoft Partner for reselling Windows and Office products. Seeing EXACTLY what you are describing, above, I dropped my status as a Microsoft reseller and have become an Ubuntu System Builder.





Ubuntu, if you have not heard of it, is a flavor of the Linux operating system that is really easy to use. Even my dad can use it (and he barely knows how to turn a computer on!). :)





The beautiful thing about Ubuntu is that it is completely free and comes with a complete office package, no purchase needed.





I encourage everybody to seek open source alternatives to the out of control giant that Micro$oft has become.
Reply:depends where u live... in Romania we have so: most of the laptops come with no OS, then some with Linux and FreeDos and finally Windows.... sometimes problem is other, most of the cases Vista Home is installed and companies buy with it, then cannot put in domain :)) but at least they can buy no OS laptop, then they install wathever they want.... other problem are drivers, not anymore XP compatible... recently had a laptop did work hours to get sound work....


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